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November 18, 2019 at 12:12 pm #42086
Andrew talks a lot in chapter 9 about agenda, which he says is about writing with a certain set of beliefs in order to achieve a specific purpose with your creative work. He sets this in contrast with art, which is about creativity, beauty, and mystery.
Do you agree with his categories? Do you agree with his conclusions? How and why?
November 19, 2019 at 1:05 pm #42154
I do agree. It is a necessary distinction for us all to consider; one in which we are able to offer grace, as well.
Some are satisfied with agenda and nothing but agenda. Sometimes I am, too.
Some people follow Christ simply because He is right, He is The Truth, and He will win in the end. I believe all that, too. But I follow Him because I NEED Him. I need to see Him, feel him, like George Whitfield said, “preach until they FEEL Christ”. And so what I look for in art from myself and others are glimpses that satisfy this need I have. To see facets of Himself. Truth, Beauty, mystery, etc.
November 22, 2019 at 12:34 pm #42298
He is Mysterious, too, isn’t He? And that can throw a wrench into our agenda. Have you read Till We Have Faces?
I like that you’re connecting grace with this. Can you talk more about that?
November 22, 2019 at 1:47 pm #42301
I read it last year:) Golly, but I needed help figuring it out;) What made you think of it in regards to God being mysterious?
I say grace because I need it so much in these creative endeavors; I should offer it, too. Even when beauty is bludgeoned for the sake of agenda, we can say “ouch”, but “okay”. I’m sure I’ve been guilty of it. Like a friend pouring their struggling heart out to me and I slap “the right answer” over their mouth like a piece of holy duct tape and tell them to hush.
I think of Paul in Phillipians when he says “Some indeed preach Christ of envy and strife…What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretense or truth, Christ is preached, and I therein rejoice yes, and will rejoice.” I know this is NOT the same, but I feel like there is a principle in there, one that proposes that even in these extreme circumstances that Paul is describing, grace can be extended.
Let me also say that, though I do not know him, I believe AP to be a gracious man. I am in no way suggesting by my comments that he shows himself, within the pages of his book, to be otherwise:)
December 2, 2019 at 2:36 pm #42531
Andrew is gracious, although I think he’d admit to struggling with this stuff, too. It’s very tempting to lean toward “right answers” rather than mystery, silence, grace, uncertainty.
Duct tape—ouch. And that passage from Paul—there are some gospel presentations that just make my skin crawl, and people I know who have been utterly changed and called into deeper relationship by them. I don’t get that, but I think you’re so right to say that grace has to be a part of any conversation about art and agenda.
What made me think of Till We Have Faces is how shadowy the whole plot is—Ungit’s primal, silent, bloody stone, Orual’s failure to understand her own heart, Psyche’s husband who must not be seen, the way everything comes to such a thunderous and still mysterious conclusion. Talk about a wrench in one’s agenda.
December 3, 2019 at 2:18 pm #42570
Yes yes yes! Such mysteries. And maybe that is what I was feeling when reading the book while my mind was just trying to figure it all out. I wasn’t embracing the mystery of it.